Gosh, it becomes hard sometimes to review these books, so well-known, even Booker Prize winners in this case. The writer of the introduction doesn’t help in this case, having drawn out the thread of the poet Milarepa, mentioned by James Arrowby in his ‘confession’. I am trying to just write about my reactions, the themes, the connections to other books and my feelings as I re-read – quite complicated and different feelings again in this book’s case. I’m so honoured that so many folk are still along for the ride with me and look forward to your comments and links as ever.
If you’re doing the readalong or even selected books along with me, or of course some time afterwards, do share how you’re getting on and which have been your favourites so far.
Iris Murdoch – “The Sea, The Sea”
(31 December 2018)
I think this book has the best CLOSING paragraph in Murdoch, doesn’t it?
My God, that bloody casket has fallen on the floor! Some people were hammering in the next flat and it fell of its bracket. The lid has come off and whatever was inside it has certainly got out. Upon the demon-ridden pilgrimage of human life, what next I wonder? (p. 538)
And really, even though the last section seems disjointed and jerky, messy and contingent, the whole book does seem to have been leading up to this point. Will Charles have learned any truths as he approaches whatever comes next?
My main and abiding thought about this book this time round (well, there are two: the other will come later) is that, as we read the ‘diaries’ and ‘notes’ of a retired theatre director who has come to the sea for peace and quiet, away from the theatre and its people, comes across his first love, tries and fails to rescue her and almost slips into oblivion, rescued by his cousin and his Tibetan ‘tricks’, it’s an amazing tour de force of getting inside one person’s head and detailing in fine and precise lines the exact way in which he fools himself, slips away from reality and bends everything he senses round to the theories he holds in his mind. Time and again, he will see something perfectly obvious and think and think over it until he’s bent it out of all recognition and convinced himself that his interpretation is correct, from the lack of post over a couple of days to the matter of who pushed him into the sea.
The other impression I have is of how horrible marriage is constantly, wearingly, described as being. No marriage is happy (even the ‘perfect’ one collapses) and the only way to be happy appears to be to shack up with someone you can never have more than a friendship relationship with, due to different orientations. This hadn’t struck me quite so forcefully before (but it’s there in a lot of the novels, isn’t it?) and this is presumably part of my long-running and rather frustrating problem with reading about marriage breakups and unhappinesses since I myself got married (which is five years ago now: come on, brain!). The worst thing that happens, though, is when Charles listens to Hartley and Ben arguing and then tells Hartley. Who of us who are paired would want someone to base their whole opinion of our marriage on some private bickering?! I really feel her pain when she finds out.
Anyway, there is also a lot more in this book. You want water themes, you’ve got water themes, with the ever-changing sea, its attendant monsters and cauldrons, its monsters and forgiving seals (what do you think the monster is? Expanded worm or acid flash-back, or just his psyche come to haunt him?). I know I don’t like to relate the author to the work too much but IM’s love of wild swimming does inform the descriptions. There’s not only the sea of course but all sorts of mists and rains going on, adding to the atmosphere in that special Murdochian way.
Stones are another theme throughout. Charles is collecting them from the start and gives important ones to Hartley (who abandons hers) and James (who keeps his, having asked for it). Charles puts them round the edge of the lawn, James creates a complex mandala which gets trampled (life getting in the way of a higher consciousness?). Hair is suitably fuzzy, frizzy and hyacinthine. Rosina has a hairdo that comes out as “a rounded segmented composition which looked both complex and casual” (p. 335-6) which is so Murdochian you’d recognise it as such anywhere, wouldn’t you?
Talking of appearances, I note again that IM is very cruel to the ageing woman, or is so through her narrator, with everyone coming in for it, from Lizzie (“She is still quite good-looking, though she has allowed herself to become untidy and out of condition” (p. 45) through Clement’s death mask and Rosina’s ageing to Hartley, the “bearded lady” with her messy lipstick, and a face that’s “haggard and curiously soft and dry” (p. 122).
Of course we have to have someone in a garden, peering through the curtains, and Charles gives us that scene, even adding the farce of sitting on a rose bush. He also spies on his own house and James is found outside in his garden. We don’t have many siblings, but we do have the dual couples of Charles and James and their respective parents as a centrepiece, and there is doubling and echoing around them, even to the fact that both cause deaths specifically out of vanity.
Portents come throughout the book – the chimneypiece at Shruff End is full of demons and can’t be dusted, and the sea is pretty well always dangerous, so we know it’s going to get somebody (the locals act as a mournful chorus in that respect). When he’s got Hartley in the house (later in the book than I remembered), “I had wakened some sleeping demon, set going some deadly machine; and what would be would be” (p. 334). Buddhism is a big theme for James and his jade animals make it through to the end, always a sign of someone of interest.
But there’s humour too, in Charles’ dealings with the locals (“‘Dog kennel?’ I said to the Post Office lady” (p. 43), his meals, as mentioned, and the good-humoured fun poked at those who like to sing. There are asides, too: “as I could hwardly suppose that Rosina had arranged for me to be haunted by a sea monster I decided not to mention it” (p. 112). “Si biscuitus disintegrat … that’s the way the cookie crumbles” (p. 365) is small enough to forget then be cheered by every read. There’s also the shock of the phone ringing, and of the phone engineer arriving, and the laundry man.
The food is a special theme of this book, although unpleasant meals have been had before – they add a good note of humour to the book and there is in fact a cook book based on them. I love how the shop woman chases Charles down the street with news of fresh apricots late in the narrative.
Who is the saint and who the enchanter? Charles, director and serial marriage wrecker appears to be the enchanter of the piece, and is described as a demon. Gilbert even says, “You’ve always been a magnet to me” (p. 259). There are two contenders for saint in his father and James. His father has the advantage in saints of being less fortunate than his brother, and maybe James has sought to counteract that as he seems to have worked on his own enlightenment and makes more of an effort in his goodness than his uncle Adam. He’s learned Tibetan ‘tricks’ and makes an effort to tell the truth at all times, whereas Adam has retreated from the world and been mild, although he is described as having “… a positive moral quality of gentleness” (p. 30) and being “something quite else, something special” (p. 64). I actually found James a more attractive character this time round, perhaps because of his failings, especially in his friendship with Lizzie, and with his loss of his servant. Of course Charles in his desperate jealousy thinks of James as an enchanter: “James, who seemed to be a centre of magnetic attraction to the other three” (p. 353). I think they’re drawn to him in a different way, however (although he does exert fascination over people AND has a very tidy house …). But he does get in a “muddle” over Lizzie, which disappoints Charles greatly: “… this sort of squalid muddle. It’s a kind of ordinary sly human stupidity which I was foolish enough to imagine you didn’t suffer from” (p. 440). But James prevails with his slightly drunken sermon:
Goodness is giving up power and acting upon the world negatively. The good are unimaginable. (p. 478)
In addition to this stuff of demons and saints, there’s a strong theme around passing on or absorbing pain, the idea of ‘Ate’ which comes through in so much of IM’s work. Charles is the only person Hartley can inflict her ruined life on (therefore making her not the saint, just someone who is treated extraordinarily horribly). James talks persuasively about “Letting the poor ghost go” and not inflicting himself on Hartley any more (p. 379). Charles clearly states that while he believed it was Ben who attacked him, “Ben had carried my guilt” over Titus (p. 431). But then Titus carries away Hartley’s guilt: “Titus was the redeemer, he had vanished, taking her guilt with him” (p. 461). One important point here is made by Ben, and seems to pop the balloon of the entire book: “‘It’s no use talking,’ said Ben. ‘Like in the war, Something happens, you go on. You got to, eh?'” (p. 452)
As well as the saints and demons there is a strong thread about happiness running through the book:
One of the secrets of a happy life is continuous small treats. (p. 9)
I love the small nods to other books found in this one. Will and Adelaide Boase from “Bruno’s Dream” are mentioned early on and then near the end, too. Rosina is said to have never been able to play Honor Klein, a nod to the play of “A Severed Head”. And then, one point I hadn’t noticed before, there’s an actor called Erasmus Blick. Could he be Calvin’s son? Given the names, it seems plausible. As my husband said, she does like to leave “Easter Eggs” for the discerning and careful reader! Peregrine’s step-daughter Angela is a near-copy of Julian from “The Black Prince” and makes a big effort to become Charles’ version of Julian – to his credit he does resist this. James has left the army under a cloud, which is a little theme which does crop up a good few times, if not in every book, harking back to other slightly ambiguous figures. The telephone engineer may have been reassigned from London, where he bothered Hilary Burde! When James is fussing over returning to London and doesn’t get round to phoning James or the taxi man and considers getting the later train, we’re back with Bradley Pearson, stuck in his flat out of indecision in “The Black Prince”.
I think a big point of why this narrator, unreliable and horrible as he is, comes out better than Bradley from “The Black Prince” might be this fact that he tries to resist the temptation of Angela and has actually learned and changed by the end of the book, hasn’t he? In History Chapter 4 he even addresses the fact that we might see him as an unreliable narrator, not something I recall Bradley doing: “(though, as James would say, what indeed are facts?)” (p. 257). Looking back at my re-reading of this book, it’s more horrible than I remembered, but James is a more satisfying character, so I think it balances out, and it’s certainly a worthy and understandable Booker-winner.
Please either place your review in the comments, discuss mine or others’, or post a link to your review if you’ve posted it on your own blog, Goodreads, etc. I’d love to know how you’ve got on with this book and if you read it having read others of Murdoch’s novels or this was a reread, I’d love to hear your specific thoughts on those aspects, as well as if it’s your first one!
If you’re catching up or looking at the project as a whole, do take a look at the project page, where I list all the blog posts so far.
kaggsysbookishramblings
May 22, 2019 @ 19:26:15
Saving this for later as this is the Murdoch I would like to read one day! (I did have a copy somewhere…)
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Liz Dexter
May 23, 2019 @ 07:32:19
Oh do read it! You’ll be bothered by the misogyny but as a portrait of self-delusion, it really is a masterpiece!
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buriedinprint
May 25, 2019 @ 23:08:34
Oh, my! I had no idea about the Easter Eggs. This one was one of the first of her books I read, so I wouldn’t have been able to spot or appreciate them, but I love to know that they’re there!
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Liz Dexter
May 27, 2019 @ 20:13:42
It is rather lovely to have these as well as the themes (no chasing ghostly ladies in the night in this one as far as I recall, though!).
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heavenali
May 26, 2019 @ 07:12:31
I remember enjoying this one all those years ago when I last read it. I remember the novel being dominated by the sea or water. The relationships are certainly portrayed as complex and I think marriage is shown quite negatively. Excellent review.
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Liz Dexter
May 27, 2019 @ 20:14:13
I remember everyone liking this and finding it a worthy Booker winner, too!
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Chris Boddington
May 26, 2019 @ 17:14:09
Maybe also a couple of Easter Eggs from life. Charles’s father has been suggested as derived from IM’s own father.
Charles’s Cambridge friends, the Bansteads, one of the only happily married couples he knows, raise an interesting possibility for the tortured mind of the textual analyst. Are they a proxy for Iris’s friends the St Croix, who had a big house in south London near Banstead and whose daughter died tragically in Cambridge? An example of commemoration which seems to occur in novels with a cemetery. I gave a paper looking at some of these at Louisville a couple of years ago which is on Academia
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Liz Dexter
May 27, 2019 @ 20:15:00
Oh, fascinating – even though I claim to try to separate my reading from the author’s life I do make an exception for IM.
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Maria Peacock
May 29, 2019 @ 15:13:38
I do not think I am going to be able to post a proper review this month, but I am going away to the Northumberland coast in North East England for a few days and will take it with me. I must admit this is the first time I have not read or re-read for the Readalong. I have read The Sea, The Sea when it first came out and at least twice since, but as Liz and others have pointed out so often the books change as we the readers go though life and our worldview changes. I am not sure what I would make of Charles now It is such a big wonderful rich book and there are so many ways to read it. My memory of it is overwhelmingly the continual presence of the sea and the reworking of the plot and themes of Shakespeare’s The Tempest.
Thank you to Liz for her review which as ever was perceptive and witty and I enjoy the observation of recurring themes (especially the women’s hair – what amazing and original descriptions) and the ‘spot the saint and the enchanter’ . Certain themes do recur in Murdoch’s novels but she re-models them so one is always surprised. It will be good to take Liz’s thoughts on demons and happiness into my reading – I am especially interested by the character of James and his relationship to Charles.
Incidentally the quotation ‘One of the secrets of a happy life is continuous small treats’ is displayed in the John Lewis Department Store in Oxford superimposed on a wall sized image of a photograph of Iris Murdoch as part of their famous Oxford people themed decor. I think that would have amused her.
Anyway I am unlikely to post a review before the witching hour of 31 May but will try to write something in response to other reviews by the end of the first week in June before getting stuck into the next one Nuns and Soldiers. .
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Liz Dexter
May 29, 2019 @ 15:59:48
Oh that’s brilliant re John Lewis – the IM Soc Conference is in Oxford this year so hopefully someone will take a photo! And no witching hour cut-off – post your review whenever you want! I’m hoping this project will live on so a week here or there is nothing! I’m really looking forward to Nuns as usually love it!
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Joanne Smith
May 30, 2019 @ 05:13:56
Well, it didn’t disappoint and kept me reading despite its heft. I had heard and expected Charles to be dislikable but somehow I didn’t hate him even when he says things like, when talking about the fact he doesn’t drive as he has women to drive him, “Why keep bitches and bark yourself”! His treatment of the women in his life is appalling especially poor Hartley who he seems to associate with the sacred and spiritual, at one point he seems to think she will return his innocence or make him a saint, at another he sees himself as a God like figure rescuing her. Yet there is nothing spiritual about kidnapping her and a huge irony in the fact he says he wants to remove her from the cage she lives in!
I think the other characters and the setting help to diffuse Charles and his awful behavior, I especially liked Gilbert and James and even Rosina. I was a little confused by the whole Angela stuff at the end, it felt a little stuck on but I can see the similarity with Julian. I’m also confused by the monster, the after effects of LSD made more sense but then there is all that stuff about the bardo and demons so I wondered if it related to that. I also thought the ‘treacherous boggy pools’ would lead to the end of someone but that was one potential portent that didn’t work out 😉
I loved the idea of the ‘Easter Eggs’ Liz but think it might take a few more reads for me to spot them, luckily I have you and the other rereaders to point them out for me which is one of the great things about reading these novels with a group. I’m all set to tackle Nuns and Soldiers next month, are all her later novels huge?
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2839462803?book_show_action=false
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Liz Dexter
May 30, 2019 @ 06:43:40
I love your review here and your Goodreads one, with “Charles himself is selfish, egotistical, vain, misogynistic and deluded but somehow it wouldn’t be an Iris Murdoch novel if he wasn’t” being a highlight! I know what you mean about the Easter Eggs – I didn’t spot the one until this time round, although I knew about the characters from Bruno’s Dream. I’m so hugely glad you’re getting such a lot out of reading along with the group – that’s wonderful! And yes, they are known as the “Baggy Monsters” although Jackson’s Dilemma (sob) is shorter again. But oh what treats we have in store!
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Peter Rivenberg
May 30, 2019 @ 11:06:17
Liz and Joanne, you’ve both done a great job of summarizing the novel and its themes. And I look forward to hearing more from Maria and other readers. I completely agree with you, Liz, that Charles is easier to like than Bradley Pearson. In spite of his narcissism (or maybe because of it) I could imagine enjoying a conversation and a light lunch with him by the sea. Whereas, Bradley? Not so much.
Reading this after Henry and Cato, I can’t help observing that as in the preceding novel, this one includes a sort of kidnapping and imprisonment of a woman who has taken on a significant symbolic value for one of the male characters. Both Beautiful Joe and Charles Arrowby manipulate their respective victims, Joe preying on Colette’s fear for her brother and Charles taking advantage of Hartley’s confused state of mind to keep her sequestered. The adolescent Joe sees Colette as special and doesn’t seem to realize the ways in which he dehumanizes her. Similarly, Charles, who has in some ways never escaped his adolescent fantasies, compares Hartley to Dante’s Beatrice, describing her at one point as a “holy life-renewing stone;” but he will not see her reality or allow her agency. Both women exist beyond the prisons of their jailors’ visions.
James’s analysis of Charles may apply to both Charles and Beautiful Joe: “You’ve built a cage of needs and installed her in an empty space in the middle. The strong feelings are all around her…. She seems to be their prisoner, but really you don’t touch her at all. You are using her image, a doll, a simulacrum.” (Of course, this kind of dynamic is seen throughout Murdoch’s work, even when the woman is not physically imprisoned.)
James has always been one of my favorite Murdoch characters. In my mind I think I had put him in the category of wise Buddhist student/master. On this reading I was a little surprised to remember that he is a soldier; and I dwelled more on his human flaws and failures, which make him a much more complex and interesting character. He remains a favorite and, wonderfully, a mystery.
This is one of those Murdoch novels that everyone I lend it to loves, with good reason. One of the things I love about this novel, especially on rereading, is that Murdoch often allows scenes and especially conversations to go on at length in a way that approximates real life. Charles, with his memory for dialogue, captures the messy back and forth of his lengthy conversations with Hartley, often treading the same territory again and again. I think these scenes work admirably in the novel or memoir form, as opposed to the theatre, Charles’s former milieu, where they would probably need to be edited for focus. It’s probably significant that Charles has moved from the theatre to this more open space by the sea where he is more in touch with elements beyond his control. It is almost as if the memoir/novel form also allows him the breathing room to encounter and reflect on the messy and contingent aspects of life, as much as he may struggle against them.
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Liz Dexter
Jun 02, 2019 @ 17:26:44
I love your comparison with Henry and Cato, I haven’t really thought about that before as it always seems to stand out and alone as the Booker Winner “Best” one (I don’t think it’s my absolute favourite, although who knows as things change and shift this time round!).
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Elaine Brix
May 31, 2019 @ 08:10:48
The Sea, The Sea
Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:36 PM
In response to the opening “challenge” in your luminous review, Liz: My feeling as to whether Charles will embrace the deep-set truths of his past actions as he encounters life ahead is mostly a thumbs down. Rather, his great mission of trying to repent of his egoism seems more of a satire. He bumps up against what is revealed to him in intervals as if shaken from a deep sleep, teases us with brief awareness, and summarily continues “being Charles.” After we are carried on a vertiginous journey through his mindscape while he visits with all whom he has wronged, even his final assessment that “one can be too ingenious in trying to search out the truth” and doubting that “one can ever change oneself” seem self- serving. Despite all the pronouncements of his own guilt and jealousies in the book, he concludes, “One feels guilt not because one has sinned but because one has been accused ” and “Guilt comes with accusations, not the crime,” leaving me unconvinced that he might possibly be redeemed or freed from his demons. His final visit with James when his cousin reveals himself with compassion, honesty and humility is inconsequential for Charles and especially disappointing.
Has Charles perhaps been searching for a Mother all along? All the women he chooses are the exact opposite of his own mother– worldly, talented, compassionate, colorful. In contrast, later he wonders if he could have “mistaken dullness for goodness in Hartley because his mother hated Aunt Estelle.” Rosina, in her vengeful visit to Shruff’s End, mocks Charles, “Your first mistress was your mother!”
Charles’s emotionally and socially repressed early home life fosters an obsession so powerful with James and Aunt Estelle that he now is unable to reconcile his mania, and so must reenact these passions in a hallucinatory cauldron with James, his sea monster of jealousy. After he is rescued by James, Charles says he recalls being “reminded of James in the sea monster’s mouth.”
Charles compares his estrangement from James to the occluded face of Hartley– It seems most wear a mask for Charles, hidden from him only by his own delusions.
In denouement, as Charles explores James’s flat amid his Tibetan Buddhist “fetishes,” the stature of the man is patently brought to light. James was not only a poet and a soldier, but a self-effacing scholar (and he did keep Charles’s stone!). Yet Charles is afraid to read his poems because he” might find them embarrassingly bad,” and vows they will never be published during his lifetime. I can’t help but think Charles may have a few more reincarnations awaiting him!
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Liz Dexter
Jun 02, 2019 @ 17:27:51
I love your thoughtful reading of the text, Elaine, thank you. I’m not sure whether he redeems himself fully: he HAS changed, which is more than we can say about some characters in earlier books, but still seems to be deluding himself and us, doesn’t he!
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Elaine Brix
Jun 03, 2019 @ 22:05:45
Thank you, Liz. It is that “fine and precise detailing” of Charles’s deceptive thinking, as you point out, that keeps us on razor’s edge, creating the tension in the book– and why I find him irritating, yet beguiling, in equal measure! On a slippery slope he still knows no bounds, as when he transgresses on Hartley and Ben’s privacy at their window. I think I actually held my breath during this scene! I too felt Hartley’s mortification when Charles reveals his eavesdropping, just as I cringed for Ben and Hartley when Charles, oblivious and a bit pathetic, appears on their doorstep unannounced. So much more to say in this second reading. Love is certainly a rich subject for delusion, and TSTS is a great opportunity to review Its complexities in one’s own life!
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Liz Dexter
Jun 04, 2019 @ 05:18:41
Yes indeed, although perhaps at least in my case best not to dwell on how horrible a marriage apparently is!
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May 31, 2019 @ 20:58:09
Brona
Jun 02, 2019 @ 05:18:16
I actually read this month’s book during the month!! But have been away on holidays this past week, so no reviews written. While I was away it has turned wintry and cold in Sydney, so now hoping to have some quiet evenings in front of the heater in which to catch up on my blogging stuff. The Sea, The Sea is first cab off the rank once I can work out how to adequately describe my reactions to the misogynistic, narcissistic, utterly deluded (yet somehow endearing or at least amusing) Charles Arrowby!
What a ride!
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Liz Dexter
Jun 02, 2019 @ 17:25:35
I think we’re all pretty much of that opinion about Charles! I look forward to your review!
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Brona
Jun 03, 2019 @ 08:49:47
Here it is!
http://bronasbooks.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-sea-sea-by-iris-murdoch.html
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Liz Dexter
Jun 04, 2019 @ 05:19:11
Brilliant – I enjoyed reading that and have added the link to the round-up.
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Maria Peacock
Jun 24, 2019 @ 11:27:32
A few belated thoughts to add to all the great and thoughtful observations in the blog. I would love to respond to all of them but will restrict myself. I have read The Sea,The Sea a few times over the years and always found it a treat. It is such a rich novel and it can be read in so many ways – there is layer upon layer of possible meaning. Although the story is presented to us through the eyes Charles as the first person (always unreliable) narrator we are always looking behind what he was saying and imagining how the other characters are taking this. Like Jake in Under the Net – and Hilary in The Word Child, Charles is solipsistic: he never takes the trouble to know or think about the people around him or realise they have their own lives. He is clearly charismatic and I agree with Peter that he would be good company. However as Brona points out he transgresses so many boundaries – physically by entering gardens and houses and emotionally and most shockingly taking Hartley prisoner that he is utterly monstrous.
I was interested in Peter’s observation on the similarities with Henry and Cato. Murdoch nearly always started a new novel immediately after he finished one and although each is very different she seems to rework ideas and situations or take them into a different direction in later novels. As we are reading the novels in the same order as she wrote them we are probably more ready to notice the overlapping and recurring thoughts and characters. I too was reminded strongly of Henry and Cato in the creation and her treatment of the beautiful vulnerable young men Beautiful Joe and Titus. Both have had miserable childhoods and both die unnecessarily as if they have to be sacrificed, while the other characters have to go on living and are changed by their deaths. I must admit I found it difficult to read the parts where Titus’s energy, charm, grace and young-ness is described and his fearlessness and joy of swimming as I knew what was going to happen to him.
I thought the description of the Fitch’s marriage was amazingly good writing- we are always aware we are reading it through the resolutely non-married Charles’ eyes. It is bleak but not bitter and although I kept veering between reading it as an account of desperately abusive marriage or just a partnership which is not perfect as none of them are but strong. You never really know – Murdoch is certainly showing you a glimpse but not telling you what to think. There is also the class element here as Charles’ world, sophisticated friends and career are poles apart from the Fitch’s mundane life in their neat little house for which Charles feels contempt.
The thing is, as James said Charles ‘was in love with his own youth’ and never grew up and he lives in the past. I have been thinking about Elaine’s analysis that he is looking for his mother. Charles found the combination of his real mother and his idealised mother Aunt Estelle in Clement but the love and security she gave him prevented him from growing up and he regresses to his idea of Hartley when he loses Clement.
Charles has come to the sea to write his memoirs and he is haunted by the present in that the other characters live in the present and the future. The theatre has allowed him to live in a fantasy world but living by the sea is all too real. The sea is always present seductive, treacherous and menacing. It kills Titus but allows Charles to be saved.
At the same time the novel has the most tremendous theatrical quality especially the description of the scenes within the house where the furniture is like stage scenery The way Rosina and Peregrine reconcile and move on after she realises that Peregrine tried to kill Charles because he had broken up his marriage and then rejected Rosina, reminds me of Shakespearean comedies.
No, like Joanne, I did not understand the Angela thing at the end either – it seems very unlikely and to belong to another book although Liz’s interpretation that Charles’ rejection of her proposal is an indication he has changed and learnt from what has happened makes sense.
I was also interested in the inclusion of two soldiers Ben and James – are we anticipating the next book here? – who have very different ranks and experience but understand and are connected to each other and this sets them apart from the others.
Although I do not think it is my favourite, I also recommend it straightaway to anyone who asks which IM novel to read, and lots of people when they hear I am into IM say they have read and enjoyed The Sea, The Sea. It is a great book and probably IM’s most notable work. I loved reading it again and I think it is a different book for everyone and at every reading. It may give the impression of being big and messy, but it is intricately written.
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Liz Dexter
Jun 24, 2019 @ 12:00:10
What a wonderful detailed response and how lovely to have it after everyone’s had their say and to read your considered responses. ” I must admit I found it difficult to read the parts where Titus’s energy, charm, grace and young-ness is described and his fearlessness and joy of swimming as I knew what was going to happen to him.” – yes, indeed, one of the awful things about re-reading (I feel the same about poor old Harriet in “Sacred and Profane”!). Interesting about the soldiers!
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John P. Houghton (@MetLines)
Sep 30, 2019 @ 11:09:18
I finished the book on holiday last month. After recommending it to a friend, he asked why. I explained that it was the high point of Murdoch’s ability to write complex characters and place them in beautifully rendered environments. I can smell the ozone coming off the waves. I can feel the chill of Charles’ house on a dark night. I can even taste his bizarre food combinations.
Then I tried to explain the final, dramatic movement of the novel, when the writing just…
I slowly wiggled my fingers and lifted my hands, as if trying to play an ascending set of piano keys. The writing just rises, to a level I don’t have the words to explain.
This was the novel which got my into Murdoch in the first place. I read a chunk of it on the very long night bus journey home from a NYE party. As we traversed seemingly every estate and cul de sac in South London I was enchanted by Murdoch’s skill as a story-teller. Fifteen years later, the spell is just as strong.
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Liz Dexter
Sep 30, 2019 @ 17:08:24
What a great one to read first – probably common as people go for the Booker Winner. A lovely story, though, thank you. My first was “A Severed Head”, aged 14!
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Sep 30, 2019 @ 17:26:21
Ruth
Nov 19, 2019 @ 09:41:46
What a great review! I agree about Charles, I didn’t like him much but agree that he managed to redeem himself at the end. I liked all your observations and I was looking out for the untidy hairand thought that might be Rosina but I was also struck by Titus and his magnificent mane of red hair too! I wasn’t that keen on poor Hartley but did quite like James. Overall I loved this book and it’s definitely one I will come back to,
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Liz Dexter
Nov 19, 2019 @ 15:03:16
Yes, the hair was more about old Titus’ hyacinthine curls in this one, wasn’t it! I think Lizzie has some fuzziness going on, too. I’m glad you enjoyed it and that you think it might be one that you come back to in time.
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integratedexpat
Apr 12, 2021 @ 20:35:02
Where do you think The Sea, The Sea is set? When I was reading it a few years ago, I had a strong impression it was set in Cornwall because the house was up on a rocky cliff, but when I searched to check, I couldn’t find the answer to where it’s set. If anyone knows, it will be you!
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Liz Dexter
Apr 13, 2021 @ 11:49:07
Thank you for your question. And the answer is: I don’t know, and no one knows, but at least I know that (I suppose). The discussion on it in the IM Appreciation group which you may be able to access here https://www.facebook.com/groups/2213699051/permalink/10153658818369052 couldn’t pin it down but had it North. John Sutherland has an essay on this in “Where Was Rebecca Shot” but comes to no conclusions; he reports IM’s friend and biographer, Peter Conradi, as having gone into this with a geographer, who said it could be North, South or East!
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integratedexpat
Apr 14, 2021 @ 11:06:32
Thank you for the answer and the link, which I could read and searched the group for further discussions. It seems I’m not the only one who had visions of Cornwall, though the consensus is more northerly. If only someone had asked her, or wouldn’t she have answered?
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Liz Dexter
Apr 14, 2021 @ 11:09:51
I wouldn’t like to say on that one!
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Chrisb Boddington
Apr 18, 2021 @ 03:27:30
I don’t see how it could be Cornwall AND on the way to Edinburgh
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