Here we are at the mid-point of the readalong (oh no!). How have you found it so far? Do you have a favourite and a least favourite so far? What are you looking forward to most in the second half of the project? If you’re joining outside the set months I did this readalong, welcome, and please do contribute your comment or link to your review!
I first read this one in my teens and remember feeling, as with “A Severed Head”, that this was terribly sophisticated, which was obviously rubbing off on me (or not). I’ve read it at least twice since then, and my attitudes to the characters have shifted slightly, though I think I’ve felt the same about the actual story. Talking story – the blurb on my Vintage copy begins with events that occur on p. 404 of 438! What’s that all about?
Iris Murdoch – “A Fairly Honourable Defeat”
(August 2018)
Here we have a comedy of manners, indeed, something referred to as a midsummer’s entertainment. We have a cast of middle-class characters, some conspicuous by their veneer of American sophistication (by association) and some more gentle and doing all the good they can. Beautifully drawn relationships, heterosexual, homosexual and sibling, as well as those among friends, show what can happen when, as arch-would-be-enchanter Julius mentions,
Human beings set each other off so. Put three emotional fairly clever people in a fix and instead of trying quietly to communicate with each other they’ll dream up some piece of communal violence. (p. 419)
Does this not just sum up Murdoch’s novels in general??
We open with the shock of Morgan returning to London after the end of her affair with Julius. She bursts into her older sister, Hilda’s house, where she lives in perfect harmony with husband Rupert. Meanwhile, Morgan’s messy, contingent husband Tallis lives in a decaying house with his ailing father, and Simon and Axel, Rupert’s brother and his partner, fret over decorations and the perfect dinner. There’s a wayward son, Peter, too, for whom I had little sympathy this time around (presumably as I myself grow away from his age). And into this set of situations comes Julius, ready to work some tricks and have some fun. I’ll now look at the usual Murdochian themes and comparisons to the other novels in the oeuvre.
We have plenty of siblings – Hilda and Morgan, Rupert and Simon, and Tallis and his dead twin sister, who still visits him. Rupert and Tallis are both writing books, great unfinished works (Tallis gives up on his and Rupert’s gets destroyed). Pairings and contrasts abound, from Rupert and the hedgehog to Morgan’s comment on her two lovers: “Tallis has no myth. Julius is almost all myth” (p. 52) Quite a few papers are torn apart and scattered and there are two sets of letters – based on two other sets of letters, of course.
We have only a bit of stone action and more water. The stone is the malachite paperweight which Rupert manages to give to both Peter, in childhood, and Morgan, and Rupert holds all his work papers down with stones. The swimming pool holds pivotal scenes and the rain drums down on it with a pivotal thunderstorm, too. Hilda thinks the sea will bring her strength and help her decide what to do, then fails to actually visit it. London is a character as usual, although more benign in its weather. Rupert and Axel are civil servants, and the institution of the museum as well as the civil service and universities, workers’ education and charities all come into things.
It is a funny book in places – not just the savage irony of the plot, but comments such as “Julius might read all your letters if you left him alone in your flat, but he’d be sure to tell you afterwards” (p. 26) and is it only me who finds Tallis’ father’s rants about the revoltingness of being human quite funny at times? Simon’s horror at the sight of a naked Morgan raises a smile, especially the sentence, “He did not find it enjoyable” (p. 154). The teddy bear is funny, especially when poor Simon is trying to get rid of it.
Who is the saint and who the enchanter? Well, Julius is mentioned alongside the word saint on the first page, but is he either? He wants to manipulate, and seeks to control, but then Axel, Simon and Morgan, and poor old Hilda, all do fall under his spell. He’s definitely no saint because he’s busily passing on the pain of his war in a concentration camp by upsetting and hurting people all over the place, for fun.
Tallis is, of course, along with Anne Perronet in “An Unofficial Rose” often mentioned as the classic Murdochian saint. I was actually less annoyed by him than in previous reads, although the descriptions of his kitchen are perhaps best not read over your own meal. Being described as spiritless, a muddler, tired, confused and overborne makes him a classic IM saint. Morgan says of him,
His sanity is depressing, it lowers my vitality … Tallis has got no inner life, no real conception of himself, there’s a sort of emptiness. (p. 52)
Julius points out that he only doubts himself when he considers himself (in this scene, where Julius tidies the kitchen, he does apply attention to Tallis, too, p. 327). He tries to forgive, to help others, even at the cost of himself, to learn about people and to absorb. He seems distracted but has that all-important attention: for example, he’s the only character to spot Julius’ concentration camp tattoo. He has a handcart which feels a bit like a cross, and doesn’t care about appearances or possessions, and has visions of being at one with the world (see p. 199). But for all his meekness, when he needs to act (and Simon has this, too), he slaps the assailant in the Chinese restaurant before anyone can notice he’s moved, and he forces Julius to undo his bad deeds by making him speak to Hilda on the phone. In fact, Morgan is obsessed with him as if he’s an enchanter, but I feel that might be down to Morgan’s character, rather than his, as she is also obsessed with Julius and Rupert …
Is Hilda a sub-saint? She doesn’t pass on suffering and Morgan points out:
Who was always talking about helping people? Rupert. Who was always really helping people? Hilda. Only one failed to notice Hilda’s virtue because she was unaware of it herself. And she treated her good works as jokes. (p. 378)
Julius also seems to respect her in a non-snarky way, saying, “She’s not interested in herself the way the others are. This is what makes her so restful to be with.” (p. 398) I’m not sure I was that aware of Hilda even on the last read. I certainly rate her higher than her sister now: dignified and practical with her help for others.
I love how Axel and Simon’s relationship is treated as entirely normal – in fact described as so – with nothing particular about it actually reminding us they’re gay: it’s just a relationship. This is still quite an early book and I’ve always loved this about this one – and Axel and Simon remain two of my favourite characters in the whole oeuvre. I think they survive because they don’t meddle in other people’s business, and do that consciously, too, talking about it and making a decision, so doing something active there.
In relation to other books, it hadn’t really struck me that Peter was an extension of the Godless young generation that IM discussed in “The Time of the Angels” and will go on to discuss in “The Message to the Planet”. He is described as belonging “to the first generation that’s grown up entirely without God” (p. 12). Tallis’ father seems another version of Bruno, railing against the dying of the light, his illness kept from him, mulling over his life and the grotesequness of age. Hilda and Julius’ conversation at cross purposes (“so you know?“) puts us in mind of similar misunderstandings in “An Unofficial Rose”. Julius’ comments that Hilda will suffer to “spare them suffering” reminds us of poor old Diana being told to step aside and fade into the background in “Bruno’s Dream”. Who is the “philosopher with the funny name that [Rupert] admires so” (p. 342) – could it be John Robert Rozanov from “The Philosopher’s Pupil”? Axel and Simon and Julius going off to the Continent at the end reminds us of any number of the books, going right back to “The Flight from the Enchanter”.
So, a book with a more attractive premise than “Bruno’s Dream”, perhaps, and a good Shakespearean theme. I feel it’s a more conventional novel, but with so many touches that can only be Murdoch’s. And I still enjoyed it, even though my opinion on the individual characters has shifted once again.
Please either place your review in the comments, discuss mine or others’, or post a link to your review if you’ve posted it on your own blog, Goodreads, etc. I’d love to know how you’ve got on with this book and if you read it having read others of Murdoch’s novels or this was a reread, I’d love to hear your specific thoughts on those aspects, as well as if it’s your first one!
If you’re catching up or looking at the project as a whole, do take a look at the project page, where I list all the blog posts so far.
Michelle Austin
Nov 23, 2018 @ 13:07:19
The bit with Leonard and his big speech about human bodies always has me splitting my sides. Particularly when he stops and you find out Hilda is sat there listening to him. He’s not wrong though, I don’t think. I found Tallis a bit too vague (I don’t want to say not man enough because that’s wrong, although when you have Julius and his really very strong personality everyone else pales a bit in comparison) I think Tallis is not very masculine though and not very drawn out as a character either. But he’s good, if a little bit silly. I think he keeps everything in the larder because Morgan bought it specially from Fortnums? (The fact that she apparently shopped in that way always struck me as a sign that she wasn’t very domestic) but that’s perhaps a sign that he idolised her, maybe feared her as well, or felt inferior. Which makes me feel bad for him.
Mostly it’s Hilda that always stands out to me. This thing about her not being an intellectual, which at surface level seems to present her as not intelligent, or not interesting, and there’s an obvious distinction to be made. She’s married to an intellectual who spends his life having high-minded thoughts and high brow conversations and she isn’t on that level, or perhaps it suits him to tell her she isn’t. But running a household, looking after people etc. requires skills and brains. So I think she’s unfairly squashed in that way. And I think that quotation from Julius is probably right. I’m not sure I like Rupert, for all his intellectual talk I think he’s weak and a little bit narrow-minded.
Overall I do think it’s a comedy of manners as you say, and it’s actually one of my favourites.
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Liz Dexter
Nov 27, 2018 @ 06:43:22
Thank you for your insightful thoughts as always. I’ve never thought of Tallis as not-so-masculine (which probably says more about the men in my life than anything else) and just as an example of her saints being a bit indistinct, waffly and annoying (c.f. Ann in Unofficial Rose), although I don’t now recall what I FIRST thought of him before I knew about that stuff. I’m glad it’s not only me that giggles at poor old Leonard!
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buriedinprint
Nov 23, 2018 @ 21:51:44
Do you feel like this would be a good one to recommend to someone as a starting place for Murdoch, if it’s more traditional in some ways but with Murdoch touches? I’m just curious. With an author whose backlist I’ve read all the way through and then I revisit specific elements (like Louise Erdrich, for instance), I find that my opinion(s) about good starting points change more than I would have thought. (I’m on board for December: copy at the ready!)
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Liz Dexter
Nov 27, 2018 @ 06:44:24
Yes, I think it could be a good one, actually, although the traditional starters are The Sea, The Sea or The Bell. My favourites in IM shift a bit each time I go through her. I actually found this one bobbed slightly down, but only slightly.
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Peter Rivenberg
Nov 24, 2018 @ 20:27:32
Thanks for your very comprehensive review, Liz!
I’ve read this book more than any other Murdoch and it’s probably the book of hers with which I’ve developed the most personal relationship through the years. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve read it, but I know I’ve read it three times in the last six years. The previous reading was a few years ago for my book group, which found it extremely compelling, a comic nightmare verging on the surreal with one remarkable set piece after another. I remember one group member specifying Hilda’s scene with the phone as being the stuff of bad dreams, but there are so many scenes to choose from! The time before that, in 2012, I happened to be visiting London and found myself reading the chapter where Morgan pursues Julius through the Boltons. At the time, I was in my Kensington hotel room, coincidentally just blocks away from the action of that scene. So, of course I had to retrace Morgan’s steps through the Boltons. I’m sure I’m not the first to do so.
I first read it shortly after the initial paperback edition was released in the US, probably in 1972 or 1973. I was in college in Vermont, scene of Morgan’s recovery, and I was immediately swept up in the charismatic character of Julius. But I was even more impressed by the treatment of Simon and Axel, who (as you’ve mentioned, Liz) appear as just another normal couple fully integrated into the family and social scene. Though Murdoch suggests that Axel’s jealousy and Simon’s low self-esteem may stem in part from the impact of the pervasive gay stereotypes of the era, their relationship itself is treated no differently than any other relationship in the novel. To me at the time that seemed extraordinary. It still seems like quite an achievement. And Simon, I think, is one of her most memorable characters, as well as one of her most sympathetic.
My big surprise reading it this time was that I realized I am not entirely certain about Julius’s age. When I first read the novel, I assumed he was quite young, perhaps a young teenager, during the war, and that he was now a little older than Morgan. But Rupert and Axel seem to assume he was working on biological weapons during the war, which would mean he’d probably have been at least in his 20s at that time and would now (26 years later?) be in his late forties? Or possibly even his fifties. We know Axel is in his late 30s and Rupert, I would guess is in his forties. I went back and tried to find how Rupert and Axel first met Julius but couldn’t locate a reference and eventually gave up. It’s not terribly important but if anyone has thoughts on this, I’d love to hear them.
This remains for me one of her most purely entertaining works. I never tire of it and, with each reading,come away with a greater admiration for Murdoch’s craft.
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Liz Dexter
Nov 27, 2018 @ 06:46:54
Thank you for your comments and particularly for linking in your re-readings and its relation to points in your life, geographically and in time. I have always been so fond of Axel and Simon and I daresay they were the first stated gay couple I ever read about (I led a sheltered life in rural Kent growing up!). Your thoughts on Julius’ age hadn’t struck me before and I’m glad Maria came along to work it all out!
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heavenali
Nov 25, 2018 @ 09:53:03
I remember the name Julius very well, would he have been a character I loved or loathed? I feel as if I didn’t much care for him. It is amazing how much of these books I have forgotten since I read them with you – however long ago it was. I’m sure this was one I found very absorbing. Great round up of it.
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Liz Dexter
Nov 27, 2018 @ 06:48:07
You didn’t like him much (and shouldn’t) though I feel you might have had sympathy for him having been in a concentration camp (but he could have just lived quietly in the woods like Willy Kost in The Nice and the Good rather than causing mayhem). He’s an arch-manipulator who destroys lives for fun, basically.
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Maria Peacock
Nov 25, 2018 @ 20:43:12
Just a very quick one from me as I am getting ready to go away early tomorrow. I love this novel – it is more traditional than ‘Bruno’s Dream’ and not so intense and enclosed. Murdoch is so good at portraying the conflicts and power shifts in relationships and this is what Julius exploits. He is quite an malignant character – and we learn at the end that he had been in Belsen. So yes Peter – how old is he? I think he would probably be about 50 the some age as Iris Murdoch was at that time. Julius’ seniority to Simon is one of the ways he can exert power.
So although this novel was published in 1970 and was set in that time, Julius is a shadow of the horrors of the Second World War. The reader sees what a man who has been dehumanised has no scruples about destroying relationship especially where is there is a flaw. Morgan is emotionally fragile but he still humiliates her: he manipulates Simon who has low self-esteem and he destroys the self-satisfied but nurturing marriage of Rupert and Hilda. It is tragic but at the same time Julius’s mischief is often funny. The episode where Julius manipulates the insecure Simon by first inviting him to a clandestine meeting then turning up and completely sabotaging Simon’s birthday dinner and giving a completely inappropriate gift of a huge pink teddy bear to the is horrible but so absurd it is funny and although Simon is absolutely destroyed by this there is the very funny account of his attempts to get rid of this embarrassing large pink teddy bear. So Peter’s phrase ‘comic nightmare’ is very fitting and Hilda’s phone disaster is the stuff of the worst kind of anxiety dream .
The network of relationships is fascinating and Iris Murdoch is so good at the creating a complicated dynamic and she really is extraordinary in being interested in showing the reader the human relationship problems of a same-sex couple in 1970 rather than signalling them as homosexual . I remember being struck by how Alan Hollinghurst did this when I read Line of Beauty but that was in about 2005. In Iris Murdoch she makes the reader interested in the relationship dynamics and emotions irrespective of sexuality.
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It is about an increasingly materialistic society – when the novel starts Rupert and Hilda are very pleased with what they have: their home is abundant with food, drink and nice things. But their latest acquisition – a swimming pool – is the scene of some violent encounters and Rupert’s death.
Wow – there is lots more to say but I will look forward to reading the postings of the lovely and clever book group people. .
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Liz Dexter
Nov 27, 2018 @ 06:49:49
That’s a really good point about the materialist society, Maria – so the loss of God for the younger generation and the acquisition of stuff by traditional (Rupert and HIlda) and nefarious (Peter) means. Thank you for sorting out the age thing! I do love the discussions on these posts!
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Peter Rivenberg
Nov 26, 2018 @ 15:24:33
Thanks, Maria, for confirming Julius’s age. I like your phrase about Julius being a shadow of the horrors of the Second World War. Yes, his exploitation of people’s weaknesses is malignant and characteristic of his view of human nature. My old Romantics professor, in discussing The Cenci, spoke about how Beatrice Cenci’s error was “entering the moral universe of her tormentor.” That phrase keeps coming back to me when I think of Morgan and Julius at the Tate. When she agrees to his bet that he can separate Simon and Axel, she enters his moral universe and, at least initially, is filled with an enlarged sense of life, self, and happiness. It even begins to shift her perception of the Turners, which she now, like Julius, feels are limited and derivative. She has, in a sense, entered his moral universe. Up to that point, the plot of the novel has been winding up like a mechanical clock; it is Morgan’s moment of acquiescence that puts in motion the action for the rest of the novel, and we watch as the clock spring unwinds.
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Liz Dexter
Nov 27, 2018 @ 06:50:09
Good points, nicely put, thank you!
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Jo
Nov 28, 2018 @ 03:28:10
Hi all,
I just posted my review on goodreads and it seems as though I share a lot of what has been said regarding Simon and Alex and Julius and Tallis but didn’t enjoy this one as much as others. As this is my first read, I’m hoping that it will entice me more on further reading. As always, what has been said in the comments got me thinking; what Michelle said about Hilda being undervalued and Peter’s comment about Morgan entering Julius’s universe for example. I also really enjoyed hearing Peter’s reading journey and how Liz’s opinions have changed over time.
I found it interesting on going back to the first chapter how much foreshadowing there could be assumed from the conversation between Rupert and Hilda about Julius. Rupert says of Julius’s research that, “It’s better to paralyse people temporarily than to blow them to pieces” which seems to hint at what Julius wants to do with his scheme. Julius also says early on that “I have no general respect for the human race. They are a loathsome race and don’t deserve to survive” which should have hinted at his character .
I think I may have glossed over the black comedy side of the book as I just found Julius so horrid and was frustrated by so many of the characters but Simon and Axel really made up for that. I was also interested in how often the word ‘muddle’ was used, or ‘muddler’, does anyone have any insight into that?
Either way, I never regret reading an Iris novel but I do wish the hedgehog didn’t have to die. 😦
Jo
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2599298125
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Liz Dexter
Nov 29, 2018 @ 06:48:32
Thank you as ever for your insights and your great review on Goodreads, which I will of course link to on my round-up post (tomorrow!). I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy it so much and it looks like it was the lack of positive characters in it, which is interesting (I’m now busily trying to predict which others you will like more or less!).
Re muddle, I think IM’s saints traditionally live in a bit of a muddle, maybe shorthand for contingency (which IM is keen on) rather than over-controlled order. You’re right, it is used an awful lot there, something I noticed but forgot to write about, so thank you!
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Jo
Dec 21, 2018 @ 02:06:17
I thought I’d replied to this Liz but… it’s that time of year 🙂
I think my problem with Julius is not just that he is a negative character, Carel in The Time of the Angels and Gerald in The Unicorn are both distasteful but I feel like they are less developed, shadowy figures often brutish and overpowering whereas Julian is so manipulative with his devious plotting and lies, but with this charming outer appearance. I’m not sure why this makes it worse but it does. I’ll be intrigued to see if you are right though in guessing which future reads I will enjoy or dislike!
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Liz Dexter
Dec 24, 2018 @ 18:29:40
Yes, he is very fully realised and believeable as a character living in the world, isn’t he.
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“A Fairly Honourable Defeat” roundup and “An Accidental Man” preview #IMReadalong @IrisMurdoch | Adventures in reading, running and working from home
Nov 30, 2018 @ 21:18:35
John P. Houghton
May 18, 2019 @ 13:02:32
I loved ‘A Fairly Honourable Defeat’ and found it the most consistently funny of her novels so far. The characters all feel rich and rounded, such as Axel and his torn feelings about being an ‘out’ gay man – is it more a social capitulation to be closeted or to be out and be entirely identified by his sexuality – or Tallis, and his impersonation of a crumples Christ trying to do good amongst towers of unwashed crockery.
Even Julius, the arch manipulator, the enchanter, is shown to have a conscience. While Peter – who for me was the most irritating and unloveable character of everything we’e read so far (which is saying something…) – is a recognisably pretentious adolescent. He also delivers an almighty slap-down to Axel, which I very much enjoyed.
All of Murdoch’s great qualities are on show in this novel. I adore her ability to depict a strong, even oppressive sense of space, like the poolside scenes. I can almost hear the bees gurgling along and smell the dewy scent of the flowers in the heat.
It’s during one of these scenes, in chapter 11, that Murdoch inter-cuts several conversations; a philosophical debate about the being good and living a good life (Julius and Peter in relation to what the latter should do with his intellectual talents), while the others debate what to do about Tallis. A similar intertwining occurs at the end of the novel in relation to Tallis’ quandary about whether and what to tell his father about the gravity of his illness.
Despite the frequently dark subject, Murdoch brings such brio and wit I wolfed down ‘An Accidental Man’. Bring on the second half of the read-along!
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Liz Dexter
May 19, 2019 @ 17:07:02
I’m glad you enjoyed this one and I agree with what you say. Tallis’ quandary is so moving and the whole is a wonderful musing on what it is to be good, indeed. Hope you enjoy the rest of them as much!
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John P. Houghton
May 18, 2019 @ 13:03:16
Despite the frequently dark subject, Murdoch brings such brio and wit I wolfed down ‘A Fairly Honourable Defeat’. Bring on the second half of the read-along!
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