Well, this was the fifth time at least that I’ve read this book (I recall taking it on holiday to Greece and reading it in the reception area of a Turkish hammam on a day trip while my husband was being pummelled and terrified (he thankfully didn’t end up exploring any bubbling pipework below the baths!)). Yet again, I’ve aged past the characters’ ages. Yet again, things that I thought happened in the middle happened at the end and there wasn’t as much of some themes as I’d remembered. But my goodness, this one stays firmly in my Top Five.
If you’re doing the readalong or even selected books along with me, or of course some time afterwards, do share how you’re getting on and which have been your favourites so far.
Iris Murdoch – “The Philosopher’s Pupil”
(31 December 2018)
I absolutely loved re-reading this book. I think it’s her most “George Eliot-ish” novel, isn’t it – is that a sacrilege to say? The huge web of characters, the interconnected society, the whole world in one town, the omniscient narrator who occasionally addresses the reader directly …
It opens of course with that seminal scene of Bad George crashing his car into the canal, complete with wife Stella. Oddly, I always associate this scene with “An Accidental Man”, probably because of the car crash there, and also George is a bit of an unlucky man making his own bad luck, like Austin Gibson Grey, in my opinion. And the shadowy figure of the dodgy priest, Father Bernard is there, as he always seems to be and is indeed at the end at the scene of George’s other big misdeed – a funny touch when you’re re-reading and know just how much he worms into people’s lives. And we very soon find that our narrator is N (with “the assistance of a certain lady” as he admits at the end, p. 558). What will happen to Stella now George has tried to kill her, if he has? Is his old university tutor coming back, and will he want to see him? Just who does Rozanov want to install in a quiet house and why? The community acts as a sort of chorus as events unfold, with a sub-plot of a restaging of a peculiar opera going on at the same time.
The big Murdochian themes are all there, with the novel starting with “malignant rain” and a car in a canal and punctuated by the baths and Lud’s Rill, the geyser in the grounds, worried over by the superbly sketched in director of the baths. We have a lot of being outside, looking in, mainly to do with the Slipper House, which Tom does a dry run for his later peering early in the novel when it’s still empty, but with Pearl looking in to Belmont and Ruby staring at Maryville, the house by the sea. In case we’re missing someone climbing over a fence by having the back gate to Belmont’s garden open, Gabriel sees the mysterious naked man climbing over one. George follows Diane three times before he finds her properly (and she’s searched for in Paris, too). Big flabby faces with wet mouths are represented by Rozanov, slippery hair in plaits and buns by Hattie. Stones are found in Hattie’s soapstone seal, Gabriel’s malachite egg she buys for Adam and hides and the stone circle at which strange things are seen, Rozanov is upset to see have been cleaned, and where George has his ‘episode’. There’s also talk of rocks that the hot spring comes out of, although only the surface ones around Lud’s Rill are visible.
Animals are beautifully represented by the mysterious foxes and the lovely Zed, a full character in his own right with his own thoughts, emotions and reactions. Who doesn’t have their heart in their mouth when he goes into the sea, even knowing what will happen? What a fantastic character who makes the book in the same way the parrot does in “The Book and the Brotherhood”.
The little ‘feminist’ touches are back in this novel, something I’ve completely missed in every other reading of all of them but am increasingly noticing now (and although Alex is a bit haggard and yellowy, the descriptions of her ageing are not nearly as horrible as those in many others of the novels). Gabriel has a year in secretarial college but wants to go to a university, before she is “overtaken by marriage. Now who and what was she? Brian’s wife, Adam’s mother” (p. 60). This is on top of her other “chief grievance”: “Brian’s selfishness to which she quietly gave in, forgiving though not forgetting” (p. 60). The feminist sector of society, while gently mocked, are I think seen as a force of good, trying to help Diane and Stella.
Like with the ageing, IM seems to have relaxed a bit on her views on marriage in this novel: although the marriages of the two older McCaffrey brothers are not successful as such, there are not so many damning statements on the condition, and we have positive hopes of Tom’s. The only real statement is this rather lovely one:
It is a feature of marriages, including happy ones, that two people who live together may have quite false ideas of one another. This does not at all necessarily lead to disaster or even inconvenience. (p. 546)
There’s a lot of religion of course, including religion lost (Alex and Rozanov’s Methodism,Father Bernard’s Judaism and then high Anglicanism. But Adam is a pantheist and Alex makes little fetishes, while Father Bernard carries on practising after his faith is lost and ends up feeling he needs to explain NOT-religion to everyone in Greece. And the books – both George and Rozanov are writing books which are, of course, unfinished. The only completed book is the one N writes! In fact, Rozanov has lost all interest in books, including perhaps his own, made clear in a melancholy description of his state of mind: “Unless one is a genius, philosophy is a mug’s game” (p. 132)
The humour is back, having been a little missing at times in the last read. The descriptions of the townsfolk and their habits are droll:
It is even alleged that people make a habit of leaving their offices early at four-thirty, bathing and resting until six and then proceeding to the pub. I have met some of these offenders myself. (p. 32)
I also loved this description of Brian:
Of course compared with George he was ‘nice’, but he was not all that nice. (p. 43)
The descriptions of Emma’s startling counter-tenor voice are also most amusing, with windows opening in London and glasses ringing in Ennistone when he produces it, and who can not giggle at Father Bernard’s consternation at having “managed to chuckle in a suggestive way” (p. 239) when phoning Hattie and then his struggles when he has his academic session with her: “Father Bernard was excited too, but not by the grammatical quest” (p. 261). The set-piece where four people watch George going to re-enact his scene by the canal is also very funny.
And what IS Mrs Bradstreet’s terrible secret?
There’s duality all over the place – the Slipper House and the main house, the brothers (well, three brothers), George’s wife and mistress, Alan’s two wives (and Fiona has a brother who has also died), two servants (and three cousins), the town and the baths, the town and London, the UK and America, Lud’s Rill and the controlled bath house, the young people and the old guard. Nesta regards the babies in the baths and can’t help being enchanted; George wants to drown them and indeed thinks of that when completing his own ‘drowning’ of his tutor. Zed appears to be a bag on the lawn of Belmont and a plastic bag floating in the sea. We have portents, as well – George sees the number 44 everywhere.
Who is the saint and who the enchanter? Well, John Robert Rozanov is the obvious enchanter – everyone he meets ends up doing things that they often really do not want to do in order to please him. He even enchants his own grand-daughter. However he is conscious of using his powers and so he’s not entirely classic enchanter material:
Father Bernard detested walking, but he was already himself captured and caged. (p. 162)
Being so concentrated on was beginning to give tom a panicky feeling of being trapped. He wanted to get up and lean on the mantelpiece, or open the door into the hall. But he could not move. he was fixed by John Robert’s glare and John Robert’s purpose. (p. 271)
William Eastcote is described as being a saint, repeatedly, and he’s the person people want to go and confess to and ask for help. He never gossips and this is because of his “virtuous austerity” (p. 414) although he’s all too painfully human, reminded of his mortality constantly. The McCaffreys think of him as “‘a place of healing'” (p. 473). He’s also the only Quaker to speak in a meeting that’s described. His speech there is a sort of ‘how to be good’ bringing in themes from all the other books. People should print it out and regard it daily. I might do so!
Let us then seek aid in pure things, turning our minds to good people, to our best work, to beautiful and noble art … Shun the cynicism which says the our world is so terrible that we may as well cease to care and cease to strive, the notion of a cosmic crisis where ordinary duties cease to be and moral fastidiousness is out of place. (p. 205)
I wonder if he, like Charles Arrowby’s father in “The Sea, The Sea” is a portrait of IM’s father (although I say I don’t like looking for that sort of stuff, he is reminiscent of his portrayal, I feel). The other saint is poor put-upon Gabriel, with an angel’s name, a ministering touch and unfortunate floppy hair. Critically, she is described as “the silliest wettest human-being I’ve ever met” (by Alex, p. 485), a bit like Anns Perronet and Cavidge, although, like them, she doesn’t live in a mess (maybe female saints don’t?) and is really good at mending things. Is there an argument for Stella with her lack of feminine wiles and inability to “conceal her strength” (p. 79)? She has netsuke, after all, and a father in Japan …
Attention is a theme although not pushed unsubtly. N is the only person who looks at Stella’s netsuke, and all George wants is to be paid attention to by Rozanov.
Looking at links to other books, poor old Alex, stranded in a relic of her past life reminds me of Henry’s mother in “Henry and Cato”. Like her, Aliex has had her faithful retainer since her teens. As I said, George reminds me of Austin, the “Accidental Man”, and of course even more than this we are given a tiny glimpse of Hugo Bellfounder, Jake’s confidant in “Under the Net”. On p. 82 we’re told “He kept up with William Eastcote and with an eccentric old watchmaker with whom he had philosophical conversations” and then later, we find he’s died: “‘What about all those valuable clocks?’ ‘He left them to that writer, I forget his name'” (p.99) (in the introduction, Malcolm Bradbury claims this is IM (p. xvi). But surely it’s Jake?). Again with “Under the Net” is it chance that Rozanov pursues quarries of lines of thought into nets (p. 135)?
The car going into the canal and the fine balance of the act reminds me of Rain’s Morgan going into the river in “The Sandcastle”. As my lovely commenters pointed out regarding “Nuns and Soldiers” we are at a time of change here – Ruby is restive, Rozanov is back, and there’s a periodic uprising to do with Lud’s Rill which makes everyone go a bit odd. Diane with her cluttered room and odd clothes is all the prostitute/mistresses in the oeuvre, her boyish hair and figure perhaps a clue to how some of the other genderfluid women might have ended up. Mistaking French is in there, this time actually not understanding at all (p. 145). Like in “Nuns and Soldiers”, Tom like Tim undergoes trial by water and emerges changed and grown. Like in “An Accidental Man” and “Nuns and Soldiers”, Tom and Rozanov pass each other in The Crescent but don’t notice each other.
Looking forward through the remaining works, the obsession with the old tutor prefigures “The Book and the Brotherhood” and I was excited to find George post-stones described as “weak and pale like a grub in an apple” (p. 547) as this prefigures Stuart Cuno in “The Good Apprentice” being described as a white grub (more than once?). She must have liked and retained the image.
On rereading this one in particular: so everyone’s in their early 40s apart from (maybe) N, and definitely Alex, William Eastcote (sob!) and John Robert Rozanov. So I’m older than them again. But this time I do still have kind thoughts towards the young crowd, where I went off them in other books. I remembered a lot of the set pieces and being somehow obscurely almost in love with N, but somehow thought that Tom’s adventure among the pipes was a lot further back in the book than it was (and also John Robert’s demise). I also thought there were lots more walks with philosophy for Rosanov and than there actually were. Odd, isn’t it!
Please either place your review in the comments, discuss mine or others’, or post a link to your review if you’ve posted it on your own blog, Goodreads, etc. I’d love to know how you’ve got on with this book and if you read it having read others of Murdoch’s novels or this was a reread, I’d love to hear your specific thoughts on those aspects, as well as if it’s your first one!
If you’re catching up or looking at the project as a whole, do take a look at the project page, where I list all the blog posts so far.
Rebecca Foster
Jul 26, 2019 @ 22:12:07
A canal, foxes, lots of religion … this definitely sounds like one for me. Next time!
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 07:28:32
I think you would like this one! You don’t have to wait till I go through them all again in about eight years’ time, though!
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Rebecca Foster
Jul 27, 2019 @ 10:17:56
True. I’ll give it a little while and then try to get hold of the few that have most appealed to me from your reviews, including this one and The Unicorn. Maybe A Word Child as well.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 12:17:27
I think you might like The Book and the Brotherhood and The Green Knight, too … oh, also The Good Apprentice which is up next and very concerned with How To Be Good.
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Rebecca Foster
Jul 28, 2019 @ 14:05:23
I picked up a copy of The Book and the Brotherhood at a library book sale, but I confess I’m daunted by the length. I’ll keep your other rec’s in mind — I usually see lots of Murdoch Penguin paperbacks at Bookbarn, which I hope to get to before the end of the year.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 28, 2019 @ 17:33:03
Oh yes, I thought you had that one. It’s brilliant, though, one of my very favourites, and with a v g parrot in it …
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AJ
Jul 26, 2019 @ 23:08:29
Five times for one book!
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 07:29:15
Yes. I do a fair bit of re-reading but Iris Murdoch’s novels I read through in publishing order once a decade or so; this one I’ve read in between, too.
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AJ
Jul 27, 2019 @ 16:04:33
Hmmm I’ll have to try one!
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 16:39:12
Not sure how easy they are to get there. The Sea, The Sea won the Booker so is a good place to start.
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AJ
Jul 27, 2019 @ 17:05:35
Ok thank you! I will add that to my TBR. I meant to say that your book review was so impressive with the amount of detail you invluded
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 17:38:07
Thank you, I don’t usually go into such depth on book reviews, just these Iris Murdoch ones.
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BookerTalk
Jul 27, 2019 @ 06:05:01
I was sold on this the minute you associated it with George Eliot and I recognise owed the elements of Middlemarch, my favourite of the Eliot novels
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 07:29:42
Yes, when I say “Eliot”, I’m thinking of Middlemarch, or maybe Adam Bede. Go for it!
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Cathy746books
Jul 27, 2019 @ 10:21:13
This sounds fascinating Liz – I really need to start reading some Murdoch – hopefully before the end of the year.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 12:17:52
Well, it’s her centenary year so a good time to do it …
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Black Knight
Jul 27, 2019 @ 15:20:50
Five times for one book means that it is very interesting.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 27, 2019 @ 15:24:19
It is. And four times all the way through for all of her 26 novels.
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Jack Eckert
Jul 27, 2019 @ 22:33:02
One of my all time favorite Murdochs, but I’m a fan of all the late large ones (with the exception of The Sea, The Sea, which I’ve just never warmed to.). I’d never associated this with Middlemarch—seems more Dickensian to me, with the juggling of a large cast of major and minor characters. It’s also one of the funniest of the Murdochs too. It also has a very strong sense of (non-London) place, Ennistone being an imaginary town that you’d really want to be living in. I’d just been thinking about rereading this one again with an eye to a long upcoming train trip, so your blog entry just about settles the question.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 28, 2019 @ 08:20:03
Ah – I dislike Dickens, so I wouldn’t go there – also, apart from N, Murdoch doesn’t have the contrived names I always find in Dickens (well now I see there’s Diamond, Ruby and Pearl, but that’s rare). I’d love to live in Ennistone and always wish I had the skills to draw a good map of the town – I bet one could from the descriptions. Anyway, enjoy your re-read and I’d love it if you could come back and talk a bit about the experience of re-reading when you’ve done so!
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heavenali
Jul 27, 2019 @ 22:53:58
Lovely to see you getting so much out of a novel you have read four times before. I have a vague memory of that car crash.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 28, 2019 @ 08:20:42
They really do keep on giving in a way not all authors would – Eliot, again, and Hardy do, of course.
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Ste J
Jul 28, 2019 @ 07:40:19
The other week I accidentally tripped, caught a bus, and fell into Waterstones, came across Murdoch, ran out of phone battery, couldn’t remember which books you had reviewed, got paralysis, sulked, picked up other books, went home happy but slightly guilty for buying. Life is full of happy accidents.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 28, 2019 @ 08:21:17
Oh well! I’m surprised they had some although maybe they’re the fancy new reprints. Any Murdochs are good, though – and you’ll find them in your local charity shops, too. Hope you enjoy what you did buy!
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Ste J
Jul 28, 2019 @ 09:24:38
I’ve had little time for reading or blogging recently thanks to the intensive training at work, sadly. The Murdoch’s were a bit posh looking that’s why I worried about picking one of the lesser works for the price. Next time I get out and about I will be cheaper with my shopping, no doubt.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 28, 2019 @ 10:18:28
Understood – i promise though if you cruise the Oxfam Books you are bound to have near you, you will find at least one! And none of them are really “lesser”, esp if you go for the fatter ones!
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Ste J
Jul 29, 2019 @ 07:27:14
Excellent, I shall dive into the bookshops next time I travel all the way into Nottingham proper.
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wadholloway
Jul 28, 2019 @ 09:07:55
That is an impressive review. I’ve read no Murdoch except one on Sartre. And I don’t read anyone every eight years, well, except Jane Austen, but then who doesn’t?
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Liz Dexter
Jul 28, 2019 @ 09:09:20
I don’t do anyone else like that, just Murdoch, and I do Austen about once every 20 years so far! I’d love to hear what you thought of an IM book. I’ve read the Sartre one but didn’t come out with a great understanding!
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wadholloway
Jul 28, 2019 @ 10:46:01
This is what I wrote about Murdoch on Sartre
but that doesn’t mean you have to read it!
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Maria Peacock
Jul 28, 2019 @ 19:43:01
Thank you, Liz for your thoughtful review and I enjoyed all the detailed observations you made. I share a lot of Liz’s enthusiasm for this one. I read it with glee when it was first published way back in 1983 (it cannot be as long ago as that, surely?) and I have gone back to read it at least once since. On this latest reading I have continued to be entranced by how Iris Murdoch takes me to Ennistone and shows what seems an ideal way to live – community life centred on swimming every day and immersion in the water, but there is always some small-town controversy together with a dangerous edge of hedonism. The town plays a role in the novel as well as being an interesting setting.
I do not consider it at all sacrilegious to compare with George Eliot. I think The Philosopher’s Pupil is closest of Iris Murdoch’s works to the nineteenth-century novel. I can quite see how it evokes George Eliot’s Middlemarch as a big novel with a small cast in a self-contained provincial town and its gossip. To me it brings Anthony Trollope’s ‘Barchester Towers’ to mind. with the all-seeing first person narrator who keeps sliding into the plot. But although the town is described as real and you feel you walk round it, – and yes Jack I would like to live there too – there is a feeling that it does not belong to the real world. The water and the cult of Venus takes the story into a non-real zone and there is this wonderful idea of the occasion ‘funny times’ when something irrational grips everyone. Although conventional religion of various forms (with as Liz points out its regulation dodgy priest) is important, there also a strong undercurrent off paganism and the unpredictable ‘Little Teaser’ hot spring creates a spirit of lasciviousness. I find it thrilling.
The opening chapter however is not nineteenth century and wow – what a compelling and terrible start to the novel! Liz observes it does remind of the bizarre and comic scene in The Sandcastle, but here IM re-writes the episode of driving the car into the canal into a brutal power struggle. It is a brilliant piece of writing and certainly holds the interest ready for the next 550 pages.
But in this wonderful place, the charismatic and ruthless John Robert Rozanov is an overriding presence as the decaying philosopher king – with his unfinished book (like Iris Murdoch’s book on Heidigger, ‘No philosophy book is ever finished, it is only abandoned). Like Liz I do not approve of putting too much of the author’s biography into a reading of the novel but there is a lot of Iris Murdoch in this one, especially the decline of the cognitive powers of the ageing philosopher. She makes her presence also known as the playful mention of the recently deceased Hugo Belfounder – of course he left his clocks to Jake, of Under the Net and I do feel so glad that Jake made it as a writer. Again is Iris Murdoch identifying with Jake as she remembers her first published novel, the subject of which is writing a good novel. And she continues to tease the reader in the final words where N writes that it is their role in life to listen to stories – with the assistance of a certain lady. Iris Murdoch was known as an outstanding listener and here she is assuming a sort of consultancy role. This slippery narrator reminds me of Tristam Shandy and I get a sense of Iris Murdoch making the most of the liberties she can take in writing her novel.
Rozanov himself can also be seen as a monster figure with tremendous power – but he is destroyed by his unacceptable lust for his grand-daughter Hattie and he fails to recognise the importance of other human beings
I found Emma Scarlett-Taylor disturbingly vulnerable – he is so isolated and unsure of his identity and is in love with Tom and his amazing counter-tenor voice gives him an almost supernatural power.
The two deaths are interesting – William Eastcote (Bill the Lizard ) and John Robert Rozanov. I too see William as the Good Man who gives attention t others and sees them as having a separate existence rather from himself but we know from early in our acquaintance that he is close to death and this gives him more saintliness. I too felt a sense of loss when he did die, whereas when Rozanov died I just it was a necessary part of his myth. I was more moved by the way his decay as the philosopher king was portrayed.
So to sum up – yes I still love this novel and am happy it is still there for me, and as always with Iris Murdoch I read a different story each time.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 30, 2019 @ 13:27:50
I like the comparison to the Barchester novels, too, a good one! I also like your assessment of the two deaths, comparing the saint and the monster/enchanter even at the ends of their lives, a connection I didn’t make. I know what you mean about reading a different story every time and I felt more for Alex and Gabriel this time, although still fortunately loving the younger characters.
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Peter Rivenberg
Jul 30, 2019 @ 12:17:01
On my recent visit to England, every book shop I entered (even at the airport) had a copy of The Philosopher’s Pupil, so I’m hoping it’s in for a resurgence because it deserves to be read. And there seems to be a lot of interest among the readers of this blog. I especially appreciate Liz’s and Maria’s thoughts on the novel, since when I first read it, I found it a bit puzzling, and your reviews have helped me better understand it, though my own thoughts about it are still unformed. I like the Middlemarch and Barchester Towers analogies. It is like she’s creating her own little world, but with elements of the fantastic.
I too find the opening to be particularly compelling, introducing the central question that haunts George (and some others) throughout the novel – did he or did he not try to kill Stella or was it truly an accident? How much of what we do is intentional, how much unconscious desires, how much based on contingent factors? If we had a witness to our actions, what would their interpretation be, and would we trust their version of events?
My initial reaction to the book was that the central power figure had been split in two. We have two magnetic (but also repellant) characters who wield power over the imaginations of the Ennistonians – George and Rozanov. As a result, perhaps, I find my reactions to them more complex than to someone like Gerald Scottow or Julius King. The narrator gives us some sense of their struggles. I even found myself wondering if they are both dealing with some form of mental illness – something I don’t normally think about when I’m reading Murdoch. I like Maria’s description of Rozanov as a “decaying philosopher king,” and there is the definite sense of a confused mind in decay that seems very much like depression, thrown over the edge by his obsession with Hattie. George too seems almost mad at times, with obsessions of his own, and his stunning vision (or is it?) at the Ennistone ring seems like a wild hallucination. But whereas Rozanov sinks deeper and deeper into a dark hole. George has moments of pure grace, at the sea particularly when he becomes a savior of sorts, and through his strange conversion reminiscent of St Paul on the road to Damascus. His path seems ultimately comic while Rozanov’s feels pathetic.
I still feel I haven’t found the key to this work with its many characters and situations, but I love its many brilliant scenes. I read it rather quickly and compulsively this time but feel a slower read, in the manner of a long Victorian novel, would suit me better and help me unlock its mysteries – because I find, perhaps more than any other of her books we’ve read to date, this one is full of mysteries and wonders that do not necessarily get explained within the text (such as George’s double, observed by both George and Adam). It does not wind up every thread in the manner of most Victorian novels (though one might argue Eliot doesn’t do that either). It really seems to push beyond its own boundaries. As a result, I think, given enough time, this is the book I’d soonest return to for another reading.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 30, 2019 @ 13:30:22
I think your assessment of Rozanov as suffering from some kind of depression is very apt – he does a lot of thinking he can’t think clearly any more and what’s the point of his book. George maybe more has a narcissistic syndrome than anything else. Hm. I like your contrast of their paths. The double – I forgot to mention that. George being haunted by himself? I love how Adam is small and worrisome then suddenly is taller and strong and comes into himself, by the way.
And I’ve read this one the most of all of hers for a reason, I think. it really does bear re-reading. And one day I’ll draw out a map of the town!
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Peter Rivenberg
Jul 30, 2019 @ 15:30:46
I’d love to see a map of the town, Liz, as well as a character chart should you ever try your hand at either.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 30, 2019 @ 15:36:09
I thought I’d done a character chart last time round and when I checked my notebook I just had a completely rubbish, feeble one that just had the McCaffreys on it!!
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Maria Peacock
Jul 30, 2019 @ 16:51:45
A map of the town would be wonderful and the text is so graphic I am sure it can be done. Iris Murdoch did use diagrams in writing her novels and some are included with her holograph notebooks at the Archive at the University of Iowa Libraries. Some are reproduced in Barbara Heusels’ book on the later fiction ‘Patterned Aimlessness’ including a plan of the Bath Institute. I would love to see them.
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Maria Peacock
Jul 30, 2019 @ 17:19:19
The question of whether George was trying to kill Stella or not does flow through the whole story but in the end it matters less than the portrayal of his mind. As Peter has observed, we do see the minds of Rozanov and George in torment but is there a sense of redemption for George? I too resist the temptation to diagnose mental health conditions when reading but there is definitely suffering around both of them. I must say I was concerned for Adam’s mental health and like Liz was relieved when he emerged as tall and confident.
Yes, it probably is best a slow read, as I think it is a novel to live with and I missed it when I finished it, but there are times when the pace quickens – the Slipper House Riot and the part when we think the dog has died. It was an interesting point about the endings of the nineteenth-century novel – loose ends are tied up but the best ones like Bronte and Eliot always leave some ambiguity at the end .
It is a big lovely novel and one which deserves to be more popular. Unfortunately it is not one which has been given a smart new cover but perhaps it might have soon.
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Liz Dexter
Jul 30, 2019 @ 17:20:52
At least it got a new cover last time round – “The Good Apprentice” didn’t even get a red-spined one!! I know what you mean about the pace, but it is one to wallow in, indeed. I want that book now but it’s pretty dear …
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Joanne Smith
Jul 30, 2019 @ 23:22:49
Another great discussion of a book I thoroughly enjoyed and I agree with Jack that I am a fan of these big later novels. As always I enjoyed and appreciated what everyone else had to say and it seems there is so much to unpack in this book. I hadn’t thought about the variety of religious experience in the novel that Maria pointed out with the conventional religion, Quakerism and the paganism but am glad that others found this unreal quality to the novel, even the spa itself has a mystical quality with all the steam and underground piping
Like Peter I was unsure about George’s mental state and had also forgotten about the mysterious double, I had thought this might be revealed as a medical condition but its one of those mysteries that aren’t resolved which is something I noticed in my review. I feel like Murdoch often has these unresolved issues but more so in this one.
I started off the novel hating George and his misogny and was very pleased when Rozanov was so rude to him but then Rozanov’s incestuous love disturbed me, I know we’ve had incest several times before in these novels but grandaughter and grandfather seemed a little much and I was glad that Tom came to the rescue.
There were several characters that were much more appealing however, Emma, whose gender and sexual identities are played with in the novel and who has this conflict over his singing, Adam and Zed particularly Zed’s encounter with the fox and his near drowning at the beach and even Father Bernard who is so conflicted.
I’m heartened by the fact that there always seems to be more to discover in these books on rereads but for now, reading them all for the first time is proving a fascinating and enjoyable experience.
Oh and did anyone catch the BBC Radio four Open Book episode devoted to Iris Murdoch? I thought it was well done considering they only had half an hour to devote to a lifetime of work.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2917702476?book_show_action=false
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Liz Dexter
Jul 31, 2019 @ 07:20:53
I have to say I’m a bit envious of you reading this for the first time! And I’m so glad you’ve been with us all the way through. I loved Emma more this time, I’d forgotten how conflicted, but self-aware and ironic, he was. And Zed is a marvellous character.
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John P. Houghton (@MetLines)
Oct 10, 2019 @ 17:22:08
I found ‘The Philosopher’s Pupil’ quite a slog to read. I clearly prefer Murdoch’s shorter novels with a small, tightly-knit cast that allows for deep analysis. ‘The Philosopher’s Pupil’ was the opposite of this.
There was a vast array of characters, with new ones introduced at a regularity I found confusing even from an early stage. I didn’t care for any of the characters and, in the case of George and Rozanov, didn’t find them interesting, which I don’t think I’ve ever felt about a Murdoch character before.
And while I found Murdoch’s creation of a sense in, say, ‘A Word Child’ or ‘The Time of the Angels’ really convincing and evocative, Ennistown felt over-described, to little narrative end. As Robert Taubman puts it in the LRB, ” Iris Murdoch thoroughly enjoys providing topographical and technical information”.
I’m pleased, and rather fascinated, that so many people here and Goodreads enjoy it. But I was pleased to finish this book and move on to the next.
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Liz Dexter
Oct 11, 2019 @ 07:14:43
Thank you for your review, and it’s great to read different opinions about the book. I understand what you feel about George – everyone in the book seems fascinated by him but I don’t find him that interesting. But I do love all the detail, that’s something I like in books in general, though. Whenever I go to a spa town I get a need to go and look at all the pipes! I look forward to hearing what you think about the next one(s).
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